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Created/Edited: Apr 12, 2011 / Oct 3, 2011

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General

 
There she is boys!
 
A word of explanation: I am coming off a hardtail that I’ve owned for 15 years and over that time it has come to fit me like a glove. So, in addition to being my first full suspension, almost any little changes are likely to feel more negative to me than they would to someone who changes bikes more often. Also, I am what you might call ridiculously picky. So with that …

This past winter I found a shop that was liquidating their floor demo Giants. I waited until they had dropped the price to about ½ of the original and snapped up a 2009 Trance X2. After a few rides, I’m starting to get a feel for how this bike handles.

Overall my first impressions are definitely positive. Most interesting is the dual-pivot design (in this case, Maestro suspension). In the past my experiences with full suspension have been moderately negative. I have never ridden a single-pivot that did not feel like it was bouncing around beneath me like a spirited colt. This was problematic, because I tend to ride trails with a fairly heavy climb followed by a descent. Fairly little flat and not a lot of up-and-down. The dual-pivots seems to do a good job of isolating and minimizing the pedal feedback. That said, I can still feel a tiny (but noticeable) loss of power versus my hardtail. I hadn’t expected to need the pro-pedal with this design but have found it helpful.

A common problem with all dual-suspensions is that any feedback damping will be mostly position specific. This is not much of an issue because I tend to be a sit and spinner and rarely stand, but on the times that I do stand the bob is distracting.
 
Dual view
Love the Maestro.

A huge positive for me has been the "self-adjusting" aspect of the bike. When I first climbed aboard I thought, "I don't like this riding position at all." The bars felt too high, the body position too laid-back and I expected to dislike climbing. I was surprised then to notice that as I had lean forward into my climb the bike would raise in the rear and lower in the front slightly, into a better climbing position. Sag to the rescue! Plus the geometry is different. The wheelbase is longer, which gives everything a more 'solid' contact with the ground. I have cleaned some fairly nasty climbs so far. Update (04/15). Yesterday I took this bike up one of the nastiest climbs in the foothills (there will be a trail soon). It performed amazingly. The climb is not super technical, but it is very steep singletrack and near the top is quite sandy. I have only ridden this clean a couple times in my life and never this early in the season. But on this bike, no probs. Flew up the damn thing!

Downhill now, that is a different matter. My hardatil has nothing on this bike going down. It eats up the bumps and I NOTICE that my shoulders are less tired after a long descent. I can keep a line better since I'm not bouncing all over the place and for long rides my body will be grateful.

Miscellany (components)

The bike does come with a nice mixture of components but (as always) there is some bad mixed with the mostly good.

The Good:
So far I love the RaceFace components. The crank is light, a little grabby but beefy. I never feel uncertain with this crank. It’s also pretty!

The Fox suspension is excellent. The one drawback is the maintenance. I hate having to test the air pressure every week and I hate taking it apart to clean the seals. The suggested maintenance schedule seems a little overly aggressive to me and I will try to string it out as much as I can. But it is something I’m willing to deal with for that buttery smooth ride.

The wheelset (WTB LaserDisc). Awesome. It's actually pretty far from the greatest wheelset you can buy, but miles ahead of what I've owned in the past. Relatively light and maintenance free.

The Nevegals. Love 'em. I know there is a bit of a divide when it comes to these tires out there, but on the several rides I now have on them, they're great. Grippy enough to keep traction, light enough to not be a weight penalty.
 
The sadly recently departed ...
quality crank
 
RWC Seals
Seals to be replaced ...

The Bad:
I’m not sold on the shadow derailleur. The direct-pull aspect of it means that there is less adjustability than the older style. I have yet to get it dialed in for both high and low gears. It works well on one end or the other, but not both. Update (04/15). I've actually managed to solve most of this issue by cleaning off the gunky lube that the bike shop had on this and putting on a thinner, less clumpy lube. Still not perfect, but now much nicer shifting.

The Ugly:
The Hayes brakes. My first disc brakes. I think I will eventually get used to them, but the constant fiddling is annoying. There isn’t much clearance between the pads and the rotor, so if there is any deformation of the rotor, there is an annoying squeak while I ride. That said, the stopping power is pretty nice. At low speeds I do feel some pulsing. Update (04/15). I should actually clarify here that I do not dislike these brakes. But they take a little getting used to. The rubbing is still there due to a slight 'wobble' in the rotor, but the noise is not very noticeable. One thing I love about them is the large rotor in front, smaller rotor in back. I no longer have to 'feather' my rear brake to keep the wheel from locking. Bonus!

Overall, a winner

Frankly, this is all just quibbling. I’m trying to be as specific as possible to determine just what kind of purchase I’ve made. There’s nothing on this bike that I have serious qualms with and as I get used to it I fully expect to settle into a rhythm. As with any new equipment, this is an ongoing conversation that will evolve.

If you are interested in a long term assessment of this bike, either wait a year and check back with me or just ask Wasatch now. He's owned both a Trance and a Trance X (lucky dog). For technical information regarding this model, see here.
Spring is near!
descents are a pleasure.

Images

There she is boys!The Trance, in springSpring is near!Chilly spring day.The sadly recently departed ...Dual viewRWC Seals

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Visentinnice

Visentin

Voted 10/10

So many pages lately about bike-building and bike-purchasing ! More than new trails ! But spring is coming and the MBP 2011 vintage looks promising :)
Posted Apr 12, 2011 4:03 pm

Andy LivoGreat

Andy Livo

Voted 10/10

page here BD. You've a quality full susser there. As regards maintenance of the Fox shock and forks. I have done absolutely none and it never loses air. I just clean the bike after every ride and clean the outside of the wiper. Never taken seals out. They are great forks and shocks. I think you are being over zealous here BD.

Full sus is such a different ride as you say but the thing that sold it for me was no back ache and the control in the technical stuff. I find that I climb better on a full sus than hard tail 'cos the suspension tracks the ground better.
Posted Apr 12, 2011 5:12 pm

BeDrinkableRe: Great

BeDrinkable

Hasn't voted

Re: Fox, yeah, probably. I'm really just reacting to the manual which said something like inspect the seals after every 20 hours of ride time. I'm still going to swap out for Enduro seals since I have them and then let it be for a while.

As for the climbing, I did a little experiment. I rode the exact same loop yesterday on the hardtail as today on the Giant. Interesing, to say the least. I would say that on moderate to serious technical ascents the FS is definitely faster & smoother. On hardpack or fire roads, the HT takes the trophy. It's really going to take a season of riding for me to have a firm take on this bike.
Posted Apr 12, 2011 11:38 pm

Andy LivoRe: Great

Andy Livo

Voted 10/10

I agree on hard pack and roads the hard tail will always win. But then I suppose a full sus is not really for that type of terrain!

I always find it strange to see people commuting on full sussers a bit like those townies driving around town in 4x4s! Never seen dirt in their lives!!
Posted Apr 13, 2011 4:33 am

WasatchvoyageGreat article.

Wasatchvoyage

Voted 10/10

Cool to see this one go up! You mentioned issues with the Hayes Brakes, which setup do you have? I've got the Hayes Nine carbons which I used on my Trance up until I got the Hope setup. (They are now on the Rockhopper. The Nines have worked out pretty good, though I have had issues with the rotors getting slightly out of true and the rubbing issue. With the calipers, at least the Nines, if you have to re-adjust at all the pads can be pulled and by using a 10mm box end wrench the pistons can be pressed back in. The seem a bit easier to do this with and adjust vs the Avid Juicy 7 setup I've got on the other Specialized Hardrock hardtail.

I keep my RP23 at about 145-150 psi and that seems to set it up for great climbing (with pro-pedal engaged) as well as some decent downhill, though a bit stiff. Like Andy mentioned above I haven't had to do anything with my Float fork, at least yet.

As for those Nevegals, I used to be a skeptic though now I'm sold on them, running 2.35's on the Rockhopper. On my Trance I run larger tires due to the need for floatation on some of the route's it sees. (Loads of talus and scree, for example) Right now the Trance is sporting 2.5 Maxxis Minions which have proven to be very rugged, though a bit on the heavy side.

Hope to see further updates on this, it's cool to see how it treats you!
Posted Apr 15, 2011 11:30 pm

BeDrinkableRe: Great article.

BeDrinkable

Hasn't voted

Yeah, with the Hayes "issues" may even be too strong a word. More like "minor annoyance". I have the Stroker Trails on this bike and actually like them quite a bit. The rotors are (just like yours) slightly out of true. They do seem to settle in a bit after a few long downhills to get them nice and hot! If the rubbing doesn't go away by the end of the season I may look into some lightweight replacements but for now, golden.

Thanks for the comments!
Posted Apr 17, 2011 1:26 pm

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